I have a KRT2 radio, I took the Sigtronics intercom out as the wiring jungle is
not needed.
Alan
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> 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Re: Permit to test (Ian Cook)
> 2. 09:50 AM - Intercom (John Kirkgaard)
> 3. 10:44 AM - For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $4,395
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> 6. 12:49 PM - Re: Conventional Tail Dragger (Dave Disney)
> 7. 05:50 PM - Re: Intercom (Bud Yerly)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> From: Ian Cook <IanCook_1@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Permit to test
>
> Hi,
> I have used a wing tip holder (a person) with the O/Rs removed when ope
> rating from grass (as per a normal glider), however on hard surfaces, altho
> ugh there is still not much clearance between the ground and the down going
> aileron, I used the wing tip wheel and the wing lifts straight away, as th
> e A/C accelerates quickly, much sooner than on my Arcus M self-launching gl
> ider with its limited power to weight ratio. I have done quite a lot of gl
> iding but have not measured the performance gained with the O/R wheels remo
> ved. With prop feathered, U/C retracted, O/Rs and tip wheels fitted at 55 k
> nots IAS the glide is about 22.8:1, rate of sink 240 ft/m. There is a rapid
> increase in sink below 52 knots, so although it will fly down to the 42 kn
> ots (stall) the min sink just increases, so there is no point in flying too
> slowly unless the thermal is good with a very small core. The main concern
> while gliding is to total lack of visibility, when flying from the left-ha
> nd seat, into a right hand turn due to the mounting bar for the cockpit doo
> rs. If anybody knows of a bubble canopy installation on a Europa, I would
> be very interested? Still days in the UK are very rare, my ASI and PE erro
> rs were within a few knots, but the figures are as observed and not been co
> rrected for ISA standards. The cowling radiator hole need blocking up and a
> ll the leaks around the main U/C wheel and wing fairings need sorting as we
> ll as working wing tips rather than what Don did just to reduce to wing ben
> ding moment. It would then get to the advertised 25:1 or better?
>
> Regards
>
> Ian Cook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
> onics.com> On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
> Sent: 30 December 2020 06:53
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Permit to test
>
>
> Ian does use a wing runner with retracted outriggers, I am uncertain of per
> formance increase, I will ask him.
> Ian also flies an Argus, self launching glider with wingtip wheels, I used
> to fly such an aircraft, wingtip runners is the norm.
> Regards to all for the new year.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 18:23, rparigoris <rparigor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Alan Does Ian retract outriggers manually and use a wing runner to lau
> nch? What's estimated performance increase retracted? Thx. Ron P.
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Subject: Europa-List: Intercom
> From: "John Kirkgaard" <john.kirkegaard@gmail.com>
>
>
> I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel.
> Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom
> 403' (intercom) is installed.
> According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both
> headsets
> directly to the radio without a separate installed.
> Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom?
>
> Happy New Year to all of you.
>
> Regards John Kirkegaard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499910#499910
>
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>
> From: Steve Ivell <SteveIvell@pestproof.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked
> $4,395
>
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> _____________________________________
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>
> From: D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>
> Subject: Europa-List: Intercom 2
>
> Apologies for hijacking this thread (with attempt at vague title change).
> My VOX has failed on both circuits and I'm tired of listening to open mics.
> Can anyone point me to which bit (in the attached) to prod/replace?
>
> Duncan McF.
>> On 30 December 2020 at 17:48 John Kirkgaard <john.kirkegaard@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel.
>> Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom
>> 403' (intercom) is installed.
>> According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both
>> headsets
> directly to the radio without a separate installed.
>> Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom?
>>
>> Happy New Year to all of you.
>>
>> Regards John Kirkegaard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499910#499910
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> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Conventional Tail Dragger
> From: "Dave Disney" <davedisney@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> Contact me offline and I'll tell you where I am with this.
>
> Regards
> Dave Disney
> G-RJWX
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Intercom
>
> John,
> I my 403 began to get fuzzy and it was replaced for a nominal fee (less tha
> n $60) by FlightCom/Sigtronics. No change to the panel or plug required.
> Although I prefer PS Engineering circuitry and interface, frankly, the PS E
> ngineering units are no better than the Sigtronics in operation.
>
> That said, all the new Com radios have a built in intercom. They are autom
> atic (but you know what automatic means, You Lose Control). They work well
> except:
>
> 1. Most of the new radios can be used in an intercom mode however, adjustm
> ents must be made in the setup mode.
> If you desire to change your squelch to make voice activation easier, be su
> re to read the manual, commit it to memory, and be prepared to be heads dow
> n in the cockpit for a bit. Research your radio on line and make a test ri
> g for your audio jacks to play with it.
> 2. The intercom is very clear but if set at ground squelch at idle, during
> takeoff you may hear nothing but static as many of these radios/intercoms
> do not automatically readjust to the increase in noise well. Consequently
> you have to set it for takeoff and then nearly yell to get the vox intercom
> to activate prior to engine start.
> 3. Not all dynamic microphones are created equal so if you and the Pax hav
> e different headsets/mics you must adjust the radio/intercom.
> 4. Most new radios have everything, blue tooth, music, telephone, aux inpu
> t, etc. Depending of course on the version and how much you want to pay.
> All these automatic units are neat but if the intercom fails internally, ca
> n you still transmit and receive raw radio or do you deselect the intercom
> (via the setup again)?
>
> Each radio is somewhat different. Each pilots control desires are differen
> t, as well as their tolerance for automatic systems that don't quite give y
> ou what you desire. Failure modes are not explained well at all. For the
> KRT series glider radios in a powered plane you set up thusly:
>
> 6.8.3 For motor planes
> *Press button AUD 2x for VOX: Set to VOX 3 (turn off).
> *Press button AUD 3x for TXm: Set to TXm**, or on condition.
> *Press button AUD 5x for EXT: Set to EXT 00 (turn off), or on condition.
> *Press button AUD 9x for MIC:
> o Set to MIC-Level 3 or as required
> o Set MC-R as required or to 1 if unused.
> *Leave the menu in position "L" (not AUTO).
>
> So one must easily only press the AUD switch a few (many) times in turbulen
> ce and power setting changes and punch a button to change levels, rather th
> an just adjusting the volume knob and squelch on the 403. So it comes down
> to personal choice.
>
> As far as intercom out information: I could find nothing on intercom failu
> re in the KRT manual and how the radio only behaves but I'm sure the ICS is
> bypassed and goes direct to radio. But never ASS-U-ME.
>
>
> Example in my aircraft:
> The GTR 200 ( I do not have the 200B) features a stereo integrated Intercom
> System (ICS).
> See the GTR 200/200B Installation Manual for installation and configuration
> details.
> Setting the ICS Volume:
> 1) Press the MENU key. Until ICS is illuminated.
> 2) Turn the LARGE Knob to highlight the ICS VOL field.
> 3) Turn the SMALL Knob clockwise to increase, or counter clockwise to
> decrease volume.
> Setting the ICS Squelch:
> 1) Press the MENU key.
> 2) Turn the LARGE Knob to highlight the ICS SQ field.
> 3) Turn the SMALL Knob clockwise to increase, or counter clockwise to
> decrease squelch. Turn the SMALL Knob one click counter clockwise
> past 0% to enable ICS auto squelch.
> NOTE: When Squelch is set to 0%, squelch is always open and when set to
> 100% squelch is always closed.
> Enable/disable Pilot Isolation:
> Press the Pilot Isolation Softkey if configured. Pilot Isolation mode
> is only available when the Pilot Isolation Softkey is configured.
>
> Although the Garmin is a wonderful radio, it is a Garmin, so there is a lot
> of button pushing outside of just frequency changes and volume if you desi
> re to use the intercom. I find I prefer to fiddle with the vox squelch IN
> FLIGHT to get the least dynamic mic volume to activate the vox 403 intercom
> . That is a personal preference.
>
> I have a Pipistrel Client that loves his Garmin internal ICS with their Dav
> e Clark headsets. However, they put up with the need to talk slightly loud
> ly on the ground to activate it, but it is fine in flight. It is a matter
> of preference. They have no idea how to change their settings, and that is
> fine with them.
>
> The Typical Flightcom/Sigtronics/PS Engineering intercoms are easy to adjus
> t/isolate/and listen to music over (at least that is what I'm told as I lis
> ten to the music o my 4 banger up front). THEREFORE I HAVE A STUPIC OLD IN
> TERCOM WITH AN ISOLATION SWITCH AND MONITOR SWITCH INSTALLED PER FLIGHTCOM.
> The Flightcom 403c can monitor or upon an incoming radio transmission, cu
> t out music/pax/or isolate pax audio depending on the optional monitor swit
> ch position.
>
> Have fun and pick one of your 20,000 compromises your aircraft is made up o
> f. You'll have to live with it.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
> onics.com> On Behalf Of John Kirkgaard
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:49 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Intercom
>
> --> <john.kirkegaard@gmail.com<mailto:john.kirkegaard@gmail.com>>
>
> I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel.
> Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom 4
> 03' (intercom) is installed.
> According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both
> headsets directly to the radio without a separate installed.
> Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom?
>
> Happy New Year to all of you.
>
> Regards John Kirkegaard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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