To All:
The Ultimate Ventilator I have on my website ceased production in December
2017. I have no idea who the manufacturer was.
I have just tried the Vista Vent as some of you have, and am concerned. Th
ey are large and if pulled down will stress the plexi vent and I=92m afraid
it will eventually fail.
It is hot here in Florida and I am stuck. Snap vents are cheap, Vista has
me worried, and it looks like quick ventilation fixes for guys that come in
dying in the heat are over. I=92ve just ordered the cheap snap vents and
will look before I leap on these.
Last thing I want to do is invent another thing.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 9:55:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Ventilators
I don=92t have experience with the Vista vents, but the Ultimate vents I ha
ve installed are easily done and are troublefree.
A word about placement. I installed mine just below the windscreen quarter
and I recommend installing them in the windscreen quarter. I have flown b
oth installations and the performance of the windscreen quarter units is fa
r superior.
The windscreen installed vents allow air to directly vent to the face, whil
e installing them just below the windscreen is less direct. The difference
is significant.
Hold your mouth correctly and use a sharp hole saw.
Ask Bud.
Creighton A-009
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> 1. 01:10 AM - Re: First Flight (BobD)
> 2. 03:13 AM - Re: Vista ventilators (spcialeffects)
> 3. 07:46 AM - Re: Vista ventilators (Phil B)
> 4. 11:48 AM - Return of unused fuel to reserve tank (Europa48)
> 5. 06:48 PM - Re: Mtow+ (Bud Yerly)
> 6. 08:11 PM - Re: Return of unused fuel to reserve tank (Bud Yerly)
> 7. 08:12 PM - Re: First Flight (Bud Yerly)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________
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>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: First Flight
> From: "BobD" <rjd@bobdawson.plus.com>
>
>
> Congratulations on your first flight. A superb looking machine.
>
> --------
> Bob Dawson
> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || Smart
Ass3
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vista ventilators
> From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>
>
> Hi Phil. Have you considered the ultimate vents? They work very well
>
> Frank Xuereb
> Kit#165
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vista ventilators
> From: "Phil B" <daveporthcawl@aol.com>
>
>
> My post should have read " I would prefer to mount them [the Vista vents]
in the
> quarter lights [lower corners of the windscreen] but have been told that
the
> windshield is a stressed item." Unfortunately the quarter was written as
a figure
> and did not come through as such on the Matronics list.
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> Subject: Europa-List: Return of unused fuel to reserve tank
> From: "Europa48" <corinthian@me.com>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know what the normal rate of fuel return is from a Europa Xs
main fuel
> tank to the reserve is? Is it necessary to use the reserve side first bef
ore
> switching to the main tank to allow space for unused fuel to be returned,
or
> does any excess just go to the main tank.
>
> Thanks
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>
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mtow+
>
> Will,
> The maximum I have taken off with is 1600 lbs. Gary Leinberger has also.
> I do not recommend normal operations beyond 1450 for anything resembling
no
> rmal operations. I have a number of clients that operate at 1450 lbs. ta
ke
> off weight.
> To ferry an aircraft, or one time flight in the best of conditions, consi
de
> r using the following guide lines:
>
> The CG should be narrowed slightly to 59 inches to 62inches above 1450 lb
s
> takeoff weight until sure of operations with a further aft CG is verified
.
> .
>
> I flight tested my aircraft and a couple others (including motor gliders)
a
> t these higher weights and found if balanced about 61-62 inches at takeof
f
> weight, the handling is quite acceptable and very comfortable on cross co
un
> try as the fuel burns off to minimum fuel. Most Europa aircraft with pro
pe
> r Annex E full control throws will fly even at the max aft CG up to 1450
po
> unds, Due to loading limits of the baggage bay, I have not been able to l
oa
> d a 1600 pound aircraft to CGs beyond 62 aft...
>
> Example: No other aircraft in my chapter could fly the larger linemen on
> the football team, so I did with full fuel. It was the first time I rota
te
> d and nothing happened. But it flew well as I had been there before and
wa
> s confident in my and my aircrafts ability. The CG was 59 inches with t
he
> 350 pound pax, 190 pound flight bag, and full 100 pounds of fuel and a 10
> pound flight bag and handling was adequate but the nose was definitely he
av
> ier than normal but flare out was possible at the higher weights
>
> Remember: Anything forward of 59 inches at 1450 pounds, it gets a bit to
o
> nose heavy to enjoy, and keeping the nose wheel off during landing is qui
te
> difficult for some.
>
> On to some guidelines:
> Using simple ratio and proportions one can easily stay within the design
st
> ress limits of the aircraft. The gear are good to 1600 pounds on a smoot
h
> landing as the gear were originally the RV 4 gear designed for a GW of 15
00
> lbs. for normal operations. Our gear socket in the trigear may get wallo
w
> ed out a bit if ops on rough fields is done for many hours but it takes a
l
> icking.
>
> I use the following G limits for over gross on a placard and in the POH:
>
> STRUCTURAL LIMITS:
>
> +3.8g / -1.9g at 1370 lbs.
>
> Max recommended:
>
> +3.5g / -1.79g at 1450 lbs.
>
> Max overload condition:
>
> +3.25g / -1.6g at 1600 lbs.
>
>
> The CG Range should be reduced by one inch to 59 max forward, 61.5 to 62
ma
> x aft above 1370 pounds unless tested.
>
> Remember the stall speed increases with weight. By calculation:
> Stall Clean / Dirty: 45/49 at 1370
> 48/52 at 1450
> 49/56 at 1600
> Warning: The pre-stall characteristics may be significantly reduced as G
W
> is increase beyond 1370 and at CGs move near the forward or aft limit.
>
> Handling characteristics should be practiced at higher takeoff and landin
g
> weights to determine the aircrafts handling characteristics. Some ideas
fo
> r takeoff and landing testing at these higher loadings follows:
>
> Takeoff:
> Lower flaps to 10 to 15 degrees max for takeoff. (Trigear) (Reduces tha
t
> old sinking feeling if pulled out of ground effect.)
> Rotation speed is higher for the trigear and mono.
> Once pitch is set for takeoff with the nose wheel off the pavement (Trige
ar
> ), or slight tail down pressure (Mono), do not over-rotate maintain a low
p
> itch angle.
> Takeoff speeds are increased so plan accordingly.
> Maintain pitch and allow the aircraft to fly off the runway at a shallow
an
> gle.
> Accelerate in ground effect until 65 Knots and reduce flaps approaching 7
5
> Knots and climb at a shallow angle until desired climb speed is achieved.
> Consider climbing at 80-90Knots for additional cooling.
>
> Landing Pattern:
> Increase approach speed to 65 to70 minimum using half to full flaps.
>
> Note: If using an aux tank in the baggage area, after the fuel is burned
o
> ff and with minimum fuel in the main tank, the CG may be quite far forwar
d.
> Do a complete analysis of the CG and its shift with fuel loading prior t
o
> attempting flight outside the original POH guidelines.
>
> Minimum speed on final should not be reduced below 60 until in ground eff
ec
> t with a forward CG.
>
> Warning: If approaching steeply at 55 Knots and at reduced power setting
t
> he aircraft will develop a significant sink rate that cannot be recovered
f
> rom at forward CGs, idle power and low airspeeds.
>
> Practice like you are going to fly and you will fly like you practiced.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
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> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:46:54 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Mtow+
>
> What is the maximum mtow that anyone has flown with?
>
> I am looking at the trip to usa.
>
> Aircraft without fuel weighs 930.
>
> Co pilot, pilot and 17 gals weigh 470. My aux tank with pump and 10.5 g
al
> s weighs 75 lbs will be strapped to the wing tie bar up against the main
ta
> nk.
>
> So we have 930+545=1485. Add liferaft 8 lbs and odd and ends and itll
b
> e a smidgen over 1500.
>
> I have flown with 1400lbs taking off at 8500 so I am sure that itll take
of
> f.
>
> What the opinion of the group on this? Anyone have any experience? Does
a
> nyone foresee issues?
>
> Will
>
>
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>
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Return of unused fuel to reserve tank
>
> The hump in the tank bottom allows the returned fuel to enter the tank re
se
> rve side and spill over to the main side until the fuel level drops to ab
ou
> t 2.5 gallons remaining. Once the main side of the saddle is exhausted o
f
> fuel (2.5 gallons remaining), of course the engine quits if the selector
is
> on main, so the fairly standard procedure of:
>
> Aux fuel pump ' On
>
> Fuel Selector ' Reserve
>
> Engine ' Restart if not wind milling above 200RPM
>
>
> This will allow you to have the remaining 2.5 gallons US on the Reserve s
id
> e of the hump for about 20-30 minutes before total fuel starvation. Hope
fu
> lly you never have to be that low on gas.
>
>
> Keep in mind, if flying in a very high angle side slip will splash fuel f
ro
> m one side of the saddle to the other when fuel level is down to about 4-
5
> US gallons remaining.
>
>
> Please study the cockpit module and fuel tank description in the build ma
nu
> al for a clearer picture of the tank shape.
>
>
> Fuel return is very small at high cruise and normally is about 1-2 gallon
s
> depending on 912 engine type over a full 2.5 hour flight time. The 914 r
et
> urn is quite high at low power and low altitude and lower in full power o
pe
> rations at high boost.
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> Subject: Europa-List: Return of unused fuel to reserve tank
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> Hi
>
> Does anyone know what the normal rate of fuel return is from a Europa Xs
ma
> in fuel tank to the reserve is? Is it necessary to use the reserve side f
ir
> st before switching to the main tank to allow space for unused fuel to be
r
> eturned, or does any excess just go to the main tank.
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>
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight
>
> Congrats on a job well done.
>
> Bud Yerly
>
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>
>
> It is my pleasure to announce that my aircraft, G-STUE, beat gravity for
th
> e first time this week with Pete Jeffers at the controls. Im forever inde
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