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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Interior finishing
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 16:11:50
To add to Fred=92s comment on the importance of interior finish prep.

Painting requires tedious prep for sure.  Clean well and smooth as much 
as you can while preparing yourself for some awkward sanding.  For your 
lungs sake, use a good respirator.
Let me emphasize that Zolotone or trunk paint is forgiving but will 
scrape off with wear so a good polyurethane clear flat over the interior 
adds wear resistance and is easier to clean.  Heavy truck bed liner 
paint wears well, but is heavier than fabric and some leathers.

As far as the doors go we paint the interior door the same color as the 
exterior although it can be painted to match the interior.

Notes on interior weight.
Interior fabrics:  
Pay attention to your seat cushions.  I chose medium weight foam rather 
than soft or memory foam.  That=92s a personal choice.  2.5 pound medium 
foam works for my 190 pounds.
I use 2 inch on the seat bottom and 1 inch for the seat back and a back 
bolster of about another three inches total thickness on average at the 
small of the back.
Cut the foam to size and sit in the seat for two hours minimum.  I make 
my upholsterer make the cushions to shape, add a small side bolster, 
then I, or preferably the customer sits in the seat for a couple hours 
(normally programming his instrument EFIS and Engine monitor) and get 
feedback on what he needs before final sewing.  Do not forget the back 
cushion.  The back cushion should include a proper sitting angle and 
back lumbar support for the shape of your back.  Both seat cushions 
upholstered should not exceed 10 pounds.

Ready to install cushions are fine, however look at the weight.  Oregon 
Aero has very nice cushions but they are very heavy. 

Leather is normally milled about 3/32 inch thick and a half a hide costs 
$500.  Half a hide will do the cushions and center console.  Weight is 
about 2.5 oz per square foot.

Upholstery fabric varies and is about the same weight if it has foam 
bonded to it.  I use tweed for the sides and tweed with leather accents 
for the center and high wear areas.

I like a leather cushion as it is easier to slide in and out of the 
aircraft.  

Overhead fabric is a pain for anybody and adds the most time to the 
project.  Mine is a $90 a yard material and is very light.  I got it for 
a steal at $10 a yard.  Most auto shops have a nice selection of vinyl 
and or what is called =93Mouse Fur=94 fabric which is easy to work with 
and fairly cheap at $3 a yard.  Vinyl on the overhead tends to fall off 
over time because the normal interior glues have trouble holding up the 
weight.  Mouse Fur is quite light and is easy to glue with proper 
contact adhesives (3M 777 is pretty good).

Carpet is really heavy.  I bought the lightest I could find.  It weighs 
about 1 pound per square yard.  It is not high wear.

Total weight of my interior was about 20 pounds including the carpet, 
seat bottom fabric coated and a complete baggage bay covering with 
embroidery.

Both of my go to upholsterers have increased their prices to $90 per 
hour and estimate about 200 hours to do the plane and actually take 250. 
 My last bid was $6000 for a leather and full custom upholstered 
interior with embroidery (it used to cost $4000 max).  (We do a seat 
back embroidery if the customer wants it, but usually only do 
EXPERIMENTAL across the D panel in the rear). 

Make sure all your fabrics are cleanable.  That is why I do not 
embroider my seat back.  Easier to clean and slide down.

Frankly the Europa-Aircraft tri gear interior kit price is pretty fair 
at 1000 UK pounds or $1600 US for a sewn kit with embroidery on the 
cushions.  Then Zolatone the top and find someone to install it.
Shipping is a fairly high cost.  Expect it to cost nearly $400 to pack 
and ship.

An auto upholstery shop may bid the install cheap, because it looks 
small, but they usually don=92t want to ever do one again.  Spend time 
with the upholsterer and visit often.  You don=92t want to end up with a 
screw or snap in your fuel tank.  Its happened.


Just my thoughts,

Bud Yerly


From: Fred Klein 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Interior finishing


  On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:52 AM, Wladimir Kummer de Paula 
<wladimirkummer@gmail.com> wrote:

  I=B4m about to attach the top fuse but first considering do some 
interior
  finish work to the cockpit. In your opinion what would be the lightest
  finish? 


Wladimir=85I used a =93splatter paint=94 called Zolotone, sprayed on w/ 
an oversize needle in the gun. I found it to be a wonderful material 
which blends easily. I also am happy to have sprayed the interior of the 
top fuselage before bonding it to the lower fuselage, believing that 
I=92ve saved myself a lot of awkward effort=85Good luck, Fred


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