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Subject: Europa-List: RE: Propeller diameter
From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:17:14

The recommended prop diameter maximum can be extended by replacing the nose
 gear shaft with a longer one. My propeller is 69 inches without any loss o
f ground clearance. This clearance is vital when operating from a bumpy and
/or soft field and should be at least 12 inches.
Karl


From: budyerly@msn.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 
Date: Mon=2C 26 Dec 2011 17:18:32 -0500


Will=2C
Max prop diameter is still 64 inches recommended.  This is based on 
the prop clearance of course.  In the tri gear clearances are based 
on spring or bungee with the by the book cable stop dimensions per the 
build manual.  This leaves nominally 10-11 inches from the prop 
tip to the ground (aircraft unloaded=2C nose tire inflated at 35 psi. and t
he 
CG at 60 inches) in most of my aircraft.  At full 
deflection of the gear at full gross weight=2C this gives 7-8 inches of 
clearance.  (Yours may be different due to main gear installation.)

FAA requirements for minimum propeller clearance:


Sec. 25.925

Propeller clearance.

Unless smaller clearances are 
  substantiated=2C propeller clearances with 
  the
airplane at maximum weight=2C with the most adverse center of gravity=2C 
  and with
the propeller in the most adverse pitch position=2C may not be less 
  than the 
following:
(a) Ground clearance. There must be a 
  clearance of at least seven inches 
(for each airplane with nose wheel 
  landing gear) or nine inches (for each 
airplane with tail wheel landing 
  gear) between each propeller and the ground 
with landing gear statically 
  deflected and in the level takeoff=2C or taxiing attitude=2C 
whichever is most 
  critical. In addition=2C there must be positive clearance 
between the 
  propeller and the ground when in the level takeoff attitude 
with the 
  critical [tire(s)] completely deflated and the corresponding 
  landing 
gear strut bottomed.


Europa nominal clearances:
If installed by the book at 2 inches (full cable extension)=2C 
crossed properly so the cable cannot slip off=2C with 
a deflated nose gear tire=2C there is at least 4 inches of clearance 
on my new builds putting a full 300 pounds on the front of the engine.  
That will keep you from mowing the grass and or plowing a furrow with your 
64 
inch propeller if the nose gear tire fails on a rough landing or rough 
strip.


12 AY flew with the gear leg bolted solid in an attempt to install a longer

prop.  I don't recommend it.  It's a bit harsh on a rough 
strip so to prevent fatigue I installed the springs shortly thereafter and

shortened my cable stop to allow a total of 1 inch of movement until 
contact and a bit more on full extension. 

Longer answer  on install and extended life operations 
notes:

On installation=2C Chapter 29T says to pull the gear leg 
up (without springs or bungee) and swag the cable at two inches from the 
stop to the leg.  I clamp (using a bolt type cable clamp) the cable at 
that distance with the gear leg pulled to check full tension on the 
cable.  When satisfied=2C I then swag the cable.  This gives 8 
inches clearance as stated above.    

In the field=2C because the spring or bungee is attached normally=2C I use

the one inch (two fingers) method to check if I need to re-swag the cable 
because of poor installation or cable stretch.  I find the cable easy 
to pull down firmly from under the aircraft and check the distance.  To 
check the springs I place my full body weight (180 lbs.) at the 
hub to deflect the springs the full amount for a quick check.  When 
doing maintenance on other aircraft I have found that the cable 
will stretch a bit more than new which puts more strain on the 
springs.  Occasionally I have seen on trigears which have operated 
extensively on grass=2C and the cable stop either was installed 
improperly or it had loosened and had not worked as advertised (it slipped 
off 
the lower leg) and this caused the springs to become weaker under severe 
grass strip operations.  (Thirty pounds at the hub caused the springs to 
deflect which is unacceptable.)  It is not fun to cut those springs off and

replace them because they no longer hold the nose gear firmly on the stop. 

So it was a personal decision to go tighter than looser on the cable stop t
o 
prevent this from happening.  


Regards=2C

Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
813 244-8354


----- Original Message ----- 

  From: William Daniell 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Tuesday=2C December 20=2C 2011 8:34 
  AM
  Subject: Europa-List: 


  I am sure that this has been posted many time but to avoid 
  having to hunt through the archives - what is the max prop diameter for a

  Trigear?
  Will
   
   

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