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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Non-equity member
From: Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:45:50
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Hi Sean,

We operate something along the lines of what you have proposed. (I have
 mailed you a copy of our group rules/ agreement), however I believe that you
 must be a shareholder to be a legal member of a group - ie: all members must
 have a financial stake in the aircraft. 

As far as I know there is no minimum share value specified by the CAA so we
 decided that =A3500 would ensure the insurance excess is covered in the
 event of an accident. My understanding is that if group members did not have
 a financial stake in the aircraft then the CAA would treat this arrangement
 as Hire & Reward which is not permitted since a fee is being charged for the
 use of the aircraft (ie: the operating costs - hangarage and insurance etc).

Also whilst not compulsory, I think it is desirable that group members are
 LAA members and also members of the particular flying club that you belong
 to. The insurance company will also be likely to insist that all group
 members have undertaken a suitable conversion course (ie the LAA training
 scheme). In view of the Europas tricky ground handling I would insist on
 this regardless (sorry, but I have assumed yours is a monowheel - it may not
 be).

I think allowing other pilots to fly your aircraft without any sort of
 financial commitment is not a great idea, though you will no doubt get many
 takers - IMHO that is.

I would be interested to know what others in the Europa fraternity think of
 such an arrangement.

Carl
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sean O'Reilly 
  To: Europa Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:54 PM
  Subject: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK


  I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at
 Redhill by bringing in another user for my Europa.
   
  Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for operating
 a Europa with non-equity members, such that the new participant would not
 need to 'buy into' the aeroplane, but simply pay a monthly charge and/or an
 hourly rate?  I an assuming that such a thing is permitted under UK Law /
 CAA regulation!
   
  Any experience (including benchmark rates and examples of written
 agreements) would be gratefully received.
   
  Regards
   
  Sean
  Reigate, UK


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