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Re: Europa-List: More on VNE

Subject: Re: Europa-List: More on VNE
From: Mike Parkin <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:50:51
Here is another definition for the debate.

  VNE 
  The VNE , or the never exceed speed, of an aircraft is the V speed 
which refers to the velocity that should never be exceeded due to risk 
of structural failure, due to calculated factors such as wing or tail 
deformation or due to aeroelastic 'flutter' (unstable airframe or 
control oscillation). VNE is specified as a red line on many airspeed 
indicators. This speed is specific to the aircraft model, and represents 
the edge of its performance envelope in terms of speed. Well below the 
speed of sound, the VNE is read as Indicated Air Speed (IAS), since the 
pitot indication is a direct measure of the dynamic pressure for any 
given airspeed. At altitude, where TAS is higher than IAS, aerodynamic 
damping is weaker than at lower levels (damping is proportional to IAS) 
whereas inertia-induced disturbances are stronger (inertia grows with 
acceleration, which is the time derivative of TAS). This condition, if 
continued beyond tested limits, pre-disposes to unstable oscillations or 
'flutter'. For instance, the TAS/IAS ratio at 40,000 ft on the ICAO ISA 
is 2:1, that is, TAS is approximately twice IAS. 

Every aircraft I have ever flown stated the Vne as indicated airspeed.  
The Falcon 20 I'm away flying at the moment has its Vne and Vno stated 
as an indicated airspeed.
Just been to the bar to get a beer and a colleague of mine answered the 
question - Vne is in indicated airspeed always.  How else would the 
pilot know if he were exceeding it.  I have some respect for his opinion 
as he recently retired from British Aerospace as a Senior Test Pilot, he 
flew harriers and did much of the flight testing on the new Typhoon 2 
fighter.

I don't know why everyone is getting so hot under the collar about the 
flight at Vne.  Ivan and Pete Clark did a lot of testing of the europa.  
I do it every year at permit renewal as required and it really is a non 
event - I must confess however that I cannot see the point of that 
particular part of the flight test schedule.

Incidentally, at medium to light weights G-JULZ will achieve Vne 
straight and level at 2000 feet (indicated airspeed)  914/Airmaster 
'with the pedal to the metal'.  Andy Draper found the ASI to reasonably 
accurate - I don't worry about it too much anyway.

I don't think we Rotax chaps need to worry too much anyway.  It would be 
different if we all fitted Jabiru 6s - we could then climb at some mind 
spinning rate towards the tropopause and cruise at a Mach No - just to 
be cool.  Of course we would have to fit a larger fuel tank - wouldn't 
we Bob?  One distinct advantage of the Jabiru is that at those dizzy 
altitudes it can reach you will be able to keep the cabin warm - 
apparently many of them overheat or have some type of cooling issues.

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth.................

It makes me want to sign on again.

Now don't get upset, just having a bit of a leg pull - you are all 
getting far too serious.

regards,

Mike.

"TAKE COVER!!!!..........INCOMING"



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