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Re: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp/Kremen prop

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp/Kremen prop
From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:31:20

Jac, You could ask Jiri Holoubek at Woodcomp to do a letter stating that the
blades are identical. regards, David Joyce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp/Kremen prop


<jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
>
> To all the good people, especially Rowland Carson, who have been helpful
to try to solve my problem of providing  IVW (the dutch CAA) with a formal
document (the term  "letter of no technical objection"  has fallen), about
my prop. Thank you very cordially for your reactions with good advise and
even copies of your own documents.
>
> But all these reactions were referring to a Woodcomp SR 2000 CS (constant
speed) prop. However I have a simple Woodcomp SR 200 (ground adjustable) 3
carbon blades prop with the yellow tips. This propeller, in combination with
a trigear XS and a 912 S engine I want to have certified.
>
> As a matter of fact all the paperwork on my plane has been done.
Everything, the plane itself included, is complete and ok. They only are
demanding yet this one last paper about the propeller/engine/airplane
combination.
>
> One reaction stated that certification of a 200 (ground adjustable type)
prop will be given on a 2000 (constand speed type) certification provided
that the blades are equal. Woodcomp has confirmed that this is the case, so
this might be a solution. Has somebody had any experience with this and can
he confirm this?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jack van Heeswijk, nr 394,  XS trigear. First flight planned for the
spring of 2006
> The Netherlands
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: woodcomp/kremen props [was: conventional gear]
>
>
> >
> >
> >>I use a SR2000 on my aircraft since 9 month the result is good
> >
> > Michel - thanks for the update - I have not heard any bad reports of
> > the Kremen/Woodcomp props.
> >
> >>But the problem in France is French civil aviation administration
> >>(DGAC) they recognize only the kit manufacturer not the PFA.
> >>To day this propeller is not recognize by Europa because they sales
> >>Airmaster propeller, and the company do not give a letter to the
> >>French administration to use the woodcomp propeller, and to day we
> >>are grounded with this propeller
> >
> > If I understand correctly - you're saying that your Europa is now
> > grounded after operating OK with this prop for the previous 9 months.
> > And if you cannot get some sort of approval document from the Europa
> > factory, you must fit a different prop (Warp Drive, I assume) before
> > you can fly again. If the DGAC allowed it to be fitted and used in
> > the first place, why did they change their mind - was there an
> > incident that prompted this grounding?
> >
> >>What solution do we have?
> >
> > I know that for various changes ("mods") to the Europa, PFA
> > Engineering have asked the Europa company for a "letter of no
> > technical objection" before approving the change. Perhaps this is
> > also the case when fitting a prop different from the
> > factory-recommended one. If so, Bryan Allsop would know as it seems
> > he (or maybe William Mills? - more info is coming in daily!) was the
> > first to fit a Kremen / Woodcomp prop to a 912S in UK. I am certain
> > that David Joyce was the pioneer for the Kremen / 914 combination.
> >
> > IF such a letter was sent to the PFA by Europa, and IF Europa could
> > be persuaded to send a similar letter (or just a photocopy?) to the
> > right person at the DGAC, and IF that would be enough to satisfy the
> > DGAC, maybe there is a solution!
> >
> > I suggest Bryan (912S), David (914) or Tim Houlihan (912) contact you
> > off-list if they know of the existence of a "letter of no technical
> > objection" referring to the Kremen / Woodcomp prop. The letter (if it
> > exists) may be specific to the type of engine, so I think Tim might
> > be your best contact as I believe you have a 912. If not
> > engine-specific, probably David might be best.
> >
> > Hope this is of some help!
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Rowland
> > --
> > | Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for
> > info!
> > | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building)  PFA #16532
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> >
> >
>
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