Hello Ira, I am back... (thanks for the forward, Jeremy)
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>Hi Dave,
>First, I did not say the largest market, I said one of the >largest markets
You are quite correct
>Second with all due respect for your position as President of >the Europa club,
telling you the good news alone is not nearly >the same as telling Europa
Owners.
Rather more like a third to >a fifth of the thousand kits sold. I know
for a fact that >Andy, at least, is not nearly so web- clueless as the sad case
>of the Europa employees who sent that sad missive to the Club >begging
>publicity,
and completely ignorant of the list, the >web site and everyone else.
The Europa Club has over 400 Members: The release went out to Club Members
first.
Andy and the rest of the new staff have a lot of work on: To blast off at
them after five days existence is not cricket (I understand if you dont
understand
cricket ;-)
>Third, I think it is completely reasonable and proud to be UK >centric. You
>guys
have a fine product and are deservidly >proud. It is just a lousy business
plan.
Yes, the Europa is a great British product (with plenty of US parts too) -
What
plan? Nobody has mentioned the Europa Aircraft business plan.
>Fourth, the US builders have in proportion been hurt more by
>the old company than UK builder where the parts pipeline >persisted longer and
no one was held up by imaginary container >shipments.
I think not. Europa owners worldwide were stuffed by the previous Management
without discrimination - For the US in some cases John Hurst was able to supply
parts for US owners when they were not available to EMIL. But that is the
measure
of John, who, I believe, now has other employment and therefore MAY not
be immediately available to Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd.
>Therefore, even a casual neglect of the folks on this side is >taken as an
>affront,
intended or not. Knowing Andy and Nev >from many hours at Oshkosk and SnF
I have the highest respect
>and appreciation for them even though I never called them for >assistence (OK,
calling to complain about mismolded parts is >another issue). I only wish
success
for them. ( Even if Nev >still owes Russ amd me the plans for the balsa model)
The Club has neglected no-one, casually or not. The staff at the Factory are
damn busy trying to rebuild the operation. They will not get everything right
first, or on, time - and neither will I: It wont stop us trying though.
>I have had a number of US owners write me privately to tell me >how they have
been screwed by Keith and Europa. While I am >done, except for glider wings,
and I have tried the whole time >to help Europa, even to the extent of working
in the tent
>trying to sell kits, none of us feel warm and fuzzy about >being relegated to
second class Europa citizens.
And I have had a lot more write to me, and to other Club Committee Members,
from
Worldwide, and I have just looked again at the list that we have of builders
owed parts/money by the previous regime: I'll tell you, I am so saddened when
I look at that list. Glider wings are something that the Club would really
like to see back in supply, and we may be able to assist Europa with that aim.
As for second-class citizens, I hope you are not referring to non-Club Members,
as you are according to my latest Membership list. Owners become a Europa Club
Member by making the effort to join, and believing that the Club will further
their Europa ownership.
If you choose not to join, then that is your own decision:
Do not complain to me when Club Members get something you don't.
>Why is the company web site always obsolete?
Actually, John Hurst did most of the work on the website.
>Why even now, do the company principles rely information 2nd >hand transfer.
>They
have the same free access to the web and >the list as all of us. What are
they afraid of?
Statements have been put out and I am sure the new company will be in touch
with
owners soon. It's only a minority of Europans who use the internet - Yes,
I'm still suprised at that too.
>Flame off
>No quotes of old news needed
>Ira
>in this case carrying the sentiments of many
We are probably both trying to do the same thing Ira, but whereas I feel
responsible
for trying to help Europa owners Worldwide, you only appear to consider
North American owners (sorry Ferg!).
chus,
Dave,
Carrying the optimism of Europa owners and Club Members worldwide.
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