Just to be clear, I most certainly was impling the use of ailierons to level
the wing, BUT that is after the nose has been lowered, and full power
smoothly applied, flying speed regained. That is the incipient spin
recovery technique. It is deemed safer that picking up the wing with
rudder, as that is considered likely to spin you in the opposite direction
! Please, if you have any doubts about low speed handling, book a session
with a PFA coach or a Flying Instructor experienced in homebuilts.
Happy Landings
Dave
On 05/09/2008, Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
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> I wouldnt describe the Classic stall as nasty.
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> If the ball is level, flaps retracted it is unlikely ther will be a wing
> drop and simply lowering the nose is enough to recover. If the wing drops
> use rudder (not aileron) to correct the incipient spin.
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> Elsewhere somebody said level the wings - this implies using aileron which
> can make the spin worse.
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> With flaps down many classics will drop a wing but that is probably down to
> the alignment of the flaps, not the difference in the wings.
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> Eliminating the wing drop is relatively easy - fit stall strips to make
> both wings stall simultaneously.
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> If you are worried about the stall characteristics of the Classic get a
> ride in one and check it out for yourself. It really is a non event.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:41 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Classic stall characteristics
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>> As announced in my first posting here from two weeks ago, I am looking to
>> buy a Tri-Gear, and as it happens I have my eye on a Classic Monowheel that
>> was converted into a Tri-Gear back in 1998.
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>> Reading this forum and from talking to a couple of Europa owners/builders,
>> I've come to learn that some Classics have a really nasty wing-drop when
>> stalling. It's my understanding that this is mainly because when building
>> the Classic wings, it is near to impossible to produce port and starboard
>> wings to be 100% symmetrical (if there are any other reasons, I would love
>> to hear them too of course!).
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>> Since I don't want a plane that has a nasty wing-drop, I was wondering:
>> except for flying the plane and performing numerous stalls at a really safe
>> altitude in different configs, are there other ways to find out if a
>> specific Classic might have a nasty wing-drop when stalling?
>> And: will such wing-drops always manifest when doing stalls, or is it just
>> every now and again?
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>> Being a novice in this area, I f.i. could imagine that a heavy wing in
>> cruise and level, the presence of an aileron-trim, the absence of
>> stall-strips or a tendency to yaw in straight and level might be 'indirect
>> indicators'. Or is this way of thinking a stupid one?
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>> Any tip or trick to identify a plane with a nasty wing-drop is welcome!
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>> Marcel
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>> (PS: no need to talk about speed here, I am fully aware that flying well
>> above stall-speeds in a coordinated matter is a sensible thing to do :wink:)
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>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org <http://www.europaowners.org/>
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